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Thread: Obama or McCain who will be better for Small Businesses?

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    I know who I think I will vote for and I'm not really thrilled with either candidate but I'm wondering about you - who do you think you will vote for? Whose proposed policies do you think will be better for small businesses? Why?

    I'm not going to say which way I'm leaning yet (I will later tonight or tomorrow) although those who know me might be able to guess - I'm also not interested in a name calling, mud slinging contest - a discussion would be nice, I'd like to know who you support and why.
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    I'll try to be nice, but to me this is a no brainer...McCain.

    It's not that I'm thrilled with the choices, but Obama is not only wrong, I believe he's dangerous. He seems unable to provide straight answers. His ideas that he is willing to talk about are so socialist, it ought to make any business owner cringe. Tax cuts for 95% of the country is a cruel joke if he's only hiding those taxes with business tax. Don't even get me started on how increasing capital gains will kill off economic growth that we desparately need.

    The obvious bias from the media is especially alarming (even when it was Obama and Hillary). They have hordes of bloodhounds in Alaska looking under any rock they can find desparately hoping for some dirt on Palin and making a big deal out of little to nothing. Meanwhile, they completely ignore Obama's ties to shady characters (except for a small number of media who dare to report it).

    I can see where Obama appeals to the people who want something for nothing and want the gov't to be a sugar daddy, but that has never worked anywhere, any time, and we don't need it here in America. I believe Obama WILL change this country if elected, but not for the better. Someone has to pay for all the ideas he is promoting, and he's trying to sell us on the idea that gov't can do better for us than we can do for ourselves. When has that ever worked? That's why I think he's dangerous. Once he gets more power into the hands of gov't, they won't let go.
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    If it was a Biden Obama ticket, I'd consider it more closely. But not the inverse. Obama may be smart, but he's in Pampers on the political experience scale.

    I'm very middle of the road on a lot of issues. I was hoping the democrats could provide a fairly middle of the road candidate. They didn't. I hate the far right and also the far left.

    Also, we are in a time of war and it doesn't look like its going to end soon. I'd rather see someone who has been there and done that running the country.

    Sorry, Obama just doesn't have the level of experience on numerous fronts including playing politics in Washington and around the world.

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    Everyone has underestimated Obama, and I truly believe he'll be better for America than McCain. Small businesses included.

    Many people assume that under Obama, the national deficit would increase more than it would under a McCain administration. That is actually wrong. Obama's spending would increase the deficit $3.5 billion by 2018, in comparison to $5 billion by 2018 under McCain (assuming he lives that long). Better than Bush, who has doubled the national deficit since taking office.

    McCain also tries to paint himself in a different light than what exists. He is not change, he's a continuation of the failed policies of Bush. His VP pick, Palin, is even worse. Both paint themselves as being reformers, but their records indicate anything but. They hope there is just enough hype to lead them to a victory, but McCain still won't win.

    Back in 2000, McCain did say he would never take the low road to the highest office. Now he has no choice, because all of his ads criticize Obama. Why? Because he is no different than Bush and just wants to paint Obama as being the "bad" person.

    What baffles me most is that when you have two people on the same ticket that lack knowledge in matters that are important to Americans, yet they expect people to take them serious. If McCain thinks the fundamentals of the economy are strong, he has quite a bit of learning to do. If Palin doesn't know what causes global warming, how can she work to solve the issues? She can't.

    Experience is a moot point for the Republicans now they have Palin. She certainly isn't as intelligent as Obama, and "executive experience" is irrelevent to me. And while military service is admirable, it's not a deciding factor in who I'd vote for.

    Obama will do a fine job as President, and he'll face many challenges. I'm sure he'll be able to work through them very well and history will judge him well.
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    i am in small business....but i really want more health insurance for my workers, i dont want my grandkids to go to war for nothing, and i think obama is a whole lot smarter...and will be better at solving the huge problems 8 yrs of bush has left us.....and be harder on the big guys who dont even pay taxes because they register in the carribean...
    ...and then what if we have a president palin?
    its a no brainer for me....
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    Obama's health care policies really concern me. I'd like it if everyone had health insurance - but requiring small businesses to provide health insurance for their employees, creating a national health insurance program and fining families who don't have health insurance for their children - those three issues really concern me. I don't love McCain's plan either - but I do like the fact that it doesn't try to enlarge the monstrosity that Medicare is - government run insurance...

    Also saying that 95% of Americans will get a tax break if he is elected rings false to me - just like the first George Bush's "no new taxes" pledge. I'm afraid that we would actually see taxes rise - on small business owners and middle class Americans as well. Also while I agree with him that those with lots of money don't need the tax breaks they are likely to get if McCain is elected, I also don't think that they need 10+% tax hikes Obama is proposing.

    Our country is in a load of debt and all of our politicians are corrupt - I want smaller government, not bigger - bottom line to me I think the government is likely to grow less under a McCain presidency than under an Obama presidency so I'm leaning towards McCain. Honestly - I wish there was a chance that Bob Barr could win, he would have my vote - he might still get my vote!
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    You can't trust either one of them. Our taxes are going to go up and there won't be a miraculous healthcare solution no matter who wins . With the very good possibility of needing new Supreme Court judges soon I'm voting for McCain hoping that he'll appoint somebody at least a little conservative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blessed View Post
    Obama's health care policies really concern me. I'd like it if everyone had health insurance - but requiring small businesses to provide health insurance for their employees, creating a national health insurance program and fining families who don't have health insurance for their children - those three issues really concern me.
    These concern me more than just a little. That is part of what I had in mind when I used the word "dangerous" to describe my view of Obama. If anyone thinks that socialized health care is a good solution, they should take a good look at countries that have it, consider the mess we have with Medicare, and try to imagine conditions in the state of New York on a national scale.
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    There is one thing I would like to add to this discussion because I live in Michigan. We have Gov. Granholm, Sen. Levin and others who share the same belief system that Obama does. They have seized the opportunity to "test market" their policies on our state. I get most of my business from outside of Michigan because they have successfully eliminated jobs and even caused negative population growth (people are leaving the state more than moving in). They literally are trying to stop the bleeding by imposing more taxes on those who are still here. The sad part is, many voters here aren't seeing the connection. States with lighter tax burdens have stonger economies. To see the entire country run like they've been doing in Michigan will not make things better.

    Anyone can (and many will) try to make a case for policies like Obama is advocating. But with all the intellectual discussion aside, bigger government has not solved the problem. They do it here in Michigan and then blame the failure on something else. I'm not an economist, but I understand business well enough to know how free enterprise works, and what squelches it. Obama can talk a good line, and that has worked well for him, but take a really good look at Michigan before voting for someone who wants to take the entire country down a path of poilicies that our state already has.

    Our country does need change. It needs to return to the principles our Founding Fathers intended for it. The further we get away from that, the worse things get. We don't need more experiments in policy. It wasn't broken, yet for the last 100 years, they've been trying to fix it. Now we have a real mess.
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    In many ways I am a strict constructionist when it comes to personal rights. But at this point in time I HAVE to vote Obama because I am a small business owner and there is one reason only: Health Insurance.

    No on realizes how much of a burden this is on small business job generation in this country. Do you have any idea how many people would try to start their own business but are kept back because of this single issue? They simply will not take the risk of being without insurance or can't afford a single family plan direct with an insurance company. If you have any dependents or any pre-existing medical condition you are screwed - most simply can not do it.

    Also, health care costs in this country are VERY expensive. The cost of providing health care in every other industrialized country is much lower. Why is ours so high? Because we let it get there. We do not do preventative programs as a general rule.

    If we insured everyone - via whatever means is the best free-market solution - it would be a FANTASTIC thing for entrepreneurs in this country. I'm by no means advocating socialized health care directly - but I am a HUGE fan of universal insurance.

    Case in point - you are an entrepreneurial spirit. You get in a car accident and are partially disabled. You are slightly lame and have minor health issues for the rest of your life. Your employer offers a health plan so you are covered.

    Thing is - right before your accident you were all set up to open a new company. Now you can't - because even if you manage to do that you will have pre-existing conditions that no health insurance company will cover if you try to get a new plan. So you are screwed.

    This happens ALL THE TIME. People can not change jobs because they are locked in due to pre-existing conditions.

    At the same time employers are strapped - insurance costs keep rising because we are not collectively bargaining for better prices. Personally our plan - for 16 people - would have gone up over $20,000 this year to over $100,000 annually. We decided to cut benefits instead. Now we are at greater risk of losing employees and this also hurts business.

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