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    I use LibreOffice across the board. I have 2 machines, one runs Windows 10 and the other runs Ubuntu Linux. There are a lot of reasons that folks "still" use microsoft products. In fact, if you're talking operating systems, that's a whole different topic than say... Office suites or other business software. Hands down, with the exception of a few specific job types, the windows experience is way better than the linux one, and linux has gotten pretty darn good.

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    I think it comes from 90s, when Microsoft was the monopolist and extremely popular. Now here are many options, and nobody preserve you to buy microsoft products. We still have torrents

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    Quote Originally Posted by JessicaP View Post
    We still have torrents
    While I agree with the bulk of your post, we cannot suggest that business people download paid software. There are pirating laws against this practice and the fines can be quite heavy (into the 7 figures I've heard).
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    Quote Originally Posted by JessicaP View Post
    I think it comes from 90s, when Microsoft was the monopolist and extremely popular. Now here are many options, and nobody preserve you to buy microsoft products. We still have torrents
    People in the business world mostly use and buy Microsoft products. It's universal.

    As for torrents, besides the pesky problem of breaking the law and stealing from people, P2P and Torrent sites are ridiculously unsafe. Anyone who says otherwise is clueless to how and why people make these things available to you for free. Because they know a certain percentage of people can't resist trying to "beat the system" and sneak around getting something for free, and that greed and disregard for other people's stuff makes them easy targets for installs.

    I know, I know, everyone who uses a Torrent or P2P site says the same thing, "I only use reputable stealing sites and only download links that have been thoroughly reviewed by the community". A community of strangers.

    My point? This is how people get infected and spread the infection to others. Whenever you start with the premise that you are smarter than the hackers, or people who go to a lot of effort to infect people, some you've still never heard of, you're doomed. When you "get" something online for free from a place YOU KNOW it's not supposed to be free on, you deserve what you get.

    Even if 50% of the people stealing from Torrents and P2P sites are "safe" and take all known precautions (and there's the rub. Precautions are generally known after the fact, not before.), the other 50% of the idiots are clueless and infecting us all.

    So that's my little rant on downloading things online that you KNOW are not supposed to be free and stealing from people who create stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold Mansfield View Post
    People in the business world mostly use and buy Microsoft products. It's universal.

    As for torrents, besides the pesky problem of breaking the law and stealing from people, P2P and Torrent sites are ridiculously unsafe. Anyone who says otherwise is clueless to how and why people make these things available to you for free. Because they know a certain percentage of people can't resist trying to "beat the system" and sneak around getting something for free, and that greed and disregard for other people's stuff makes them easy targets for installs.

    I know, I know, everyone who uses a Torrent or P2P site says the same thing, "I only use reputable stealing sites and only download links that have been thoroughly reviewed by the community". A community of strangers.

    My point? This is how people get infected and spread the infection to others. Whenever you start with the premise that you are smarter than the hackers, or people who go to a lot of effort to infect people, some you've still never heard of, you're doomed. When you "get" something online for free from a place YOU KNOW it's not supposed to be free on, you deserve what you get.

    Even if 50% of the people stealing from Torrents and P2P sites are "safe" and take all known precautions (and there's the rub. Precautions are generally known after the fact, not before.), the other 50% of the idiots are clueless and infecting us all.

    So that's my little rant on downloading things online that you KNOW are not supposed to be free and stealing from people who create stuff.
    The only thing I've ever torrented is software and games. If I need to watch a movie that isn't available on Netflix, I watch it on Putlocker. Anyways, I say the same thing. I only download from specific people, a few I have talked to before including Skidrow, Games4TheWorld, Invision-Virus, etc. which are all well reputable. I do have Office on my laptop for school, but I get it for free through the college that we take our dual enrollment through. I did have The Sims 4 torrented for the longest time, but recently bought it along with all the expansions. I will say, there are a few exceptions to my paying for. For example, I'm not going to pay $1,500 for Photoshop and another for Illustrator, plus even more for Premier. I'll risk the virus. I don't torrent music anymore since I just pay for Spotify and all the Steam games are paid for.

    Torrenting isn't going to magically go away, nor will it even go away. If the government is going to get rid of the public sites (Kickass, Piratebay, Torrentz.eu, etc.) then there's going to be more privatized ways to get it.

    I don't enjoy torrenting, I feel dirty doing it. But in times of desperation, it's better than paying 3 months of part time Staples salary on software when I have to go to school. Again, sometimes it's worth the potential virus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Owen View Post
    The only thing I've ever torrented is software and games.
    It's funny how you say "Only". It's like saying, "Sure, I robbed a bank, but i only stole 5's and 10's."

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    If I need to watch a movie that isn't available on Netflix, I watch it on Putlocker. Anyways, I say the same thing. I only download from specific people, a few I have talked to before including Skidrow, Games4TheWorld, Invision-Virus, etc. which are all well reputable.
    Yep. Everyone says that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Owen View Post
    Torrenting isn't going to magically go away, nor will it even go away. If the government is going to get rid of the public sites (Kickass, Piratebay, Torrentz.eu, etc.) then there's going to be more privatized ways to get it.
    Of course not. Stealing will be around till the end of time. Doesn't mean you have to do it. Heroine didn't go away but I don't see you using the same excuse to partake in that.

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    I don't enjoy torrenting, I feel dirty doing it. But in times of desperation, it's better than paying 3 months of part time Staples salary on software when I have to go to school. Again, sometimes it's worth the potential virus.
    You will think differently when you launch your own products only to find out that people are stealing them rather than paying you for your work.
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    As far as torrenting goes to each is own but I don't do it, not that I have always been an angel.

    When it comes to the cloud subscriptions I really don't care for that model but I was under the impression that Adobe cloud is much more expensive than 20 bucks a month. I was under the impression that it was more in the $ 59.00 a month range.

    I still don't like that model and prefer just to buy software which seems like it is not going to be an option for the future. I will keep using my CS-3 and office 10 until it becomes useless and at that point will see if there is freeware or some other compatible program you can buy for a one time fee. I just don't like having payments and some of that stuff I don't use enough to justify the monthly fee they charge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold Mansfield View Post
    Yep. Everyone says that.
    But I've like actually talked to them all before, I was a big member of the forum for about 2 years for Games4TheWorld. I used to join Skype calls with Invision Virus.

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    Adobe Creative Cloud is like $20 mo.

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    Heroine didn't go away but I don't see you using the same excuse to partake in that.

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    You will differently when you launch your own products only to find out that people are stealing them rather than paying you for your work.
    I mean I can agree, I torrented Invision Power Board and had a bigish forum with 1,000 members when I was 14 then one of them figured out I was using a nulled version and they got my web hosting account banned

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    The problem with taking all the precautions and talking to people who claim they know all KNOWN ways to scan for malware, is that the bad guys are always 10 steps ahead of what we know how to scan or look for. By the time we find out about something new, it's been in the wild for weeks or months.

    Anti virus malware scans and similar things are reactions, not pro actions. They find what we already know about.

    Of course you could go through each file line by line, but I doubt most people are doing that, even if they knew what they were looking for.

    There's a phrase in the drug trade (and mortgage leads) called "Stepped on". It means how many hands did it pass through (and what did they dilute it with) before it got to you.

    If you can't control the chain from manufacturer to you, you have no idea what happened to it along the way I don't care how many people vouch for it.
    Torrent sites and P2P networks are the superhighway of malware infections. It's easy pickens because people are eager to get something for nothing and install things willingly under the guise that they are somehow beating the system.

    The malware I can find are never the ones I worry about. It's the ones that I can't find because none of the security pros know about them yet that bother me. The stuff that's on your computer that scans don't pick up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold Mansfield View Post
    The problem with taking all the precautions and talking to people who claim they know all KNOWN ways to scan for malware, is that the bad guys are always 10 steps ahead of what we know how to scan or look for. By the time we find out about something new, it's been in the wild for weeks or months.

    Anti virus malware scans and similar things are reactions, not pro actions. They find what we already know about.

    Of course you could go through each file line by line, but I doubt most people are doing that, even if they knew what they were looking for.

    There's a phrase in the drug trade (and mortgage leads) called "Stepped on". It means how many hands did it pass through (and what did they dilute it with) before it got to you.

    If you can't control the chain from manufacturer to you, you have no idea what happened to it along the way I don't care how many people vouch for it.
    Torrent sites and P2P networks are the superhighway of malware infections. It's easy pickens because people are eager to get something for nothing and install things willingly under the guise that they are somehow beating the system.

    The malware I can find are never the ones I worry about. It's the ones that I can't find because none of the security pros know about them yet that bother me. The stuff that's on your computer that scans don't pick up.

    JMO of course.
    Like the dude of Shark Tank that runs a security company said: "Hackers are like burglars, you can have a gun and a security system all you want but if someone really wants to do damage to you they'll do it."

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