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    Default Pre-Employment Background checks

    I'm thinking of branching out and using my security training to get my feet wet and offering Pre-Employment background checks and skip tracing as a service.

    I've spoken to a few friends and associates who work in human resources working for small and large companies and they all outsource this to an outside company.

    Just wondering how many of you do background checks of your hires, and if so how detailed are you in what you are looking for?
    Do you also do drug screening as part of the process?

    Interested in hearing how others handle this and if you use outside services.
    Thanks

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    Since I don't have employees, I've never had the need for background checks. As someone who's been employed, I don't care for them. They feel more intrusive into someone's personal life than an employer has a right to know. I do get why companies ask for background checks and in certain industries they're absolutely necessary, but I wonder if I apply for a job entering data into a computer in an office somewhere, does the company really need to know my personal history?

    That said, the practice isn't going anywhere and companies are going to hire people for background checks. I wouldn't be surprised if a few years from now AI is handling this kind of work. I'm just guessing, but it's easy to imagine a bot going out and doing all the work online. This might be something you can do in the near term, but I wouldn't think you'd be able to do this work in 10 or 20 years.

    When you say companies are outsourcing the work, who are they outsourcing to? Is to companies outside the U.S. or is it within the U.S.? If it's the latter, is it because of price and would you be able to compete? If the former, then it makes sense to offer these kind of services.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vangogh View Post
    Since I don't have employees, I've never had the need for background checks. As someone who's been employed, I don't care for them. They feel more intrusive into someone's personal life than an employer has a right to know. I do get why companies ask for background checks and in certain industries they're absolutely necessary, but I wonder if I apply for a job entering data into a computer in an office somewhere, does the company really need to know my personal history?
    Depends on the company. Since I've been in NV every place I've ever worked required a background check and drug test. And that's going back 22 years. I was having an FBI background check my first week in town because I needed a work card. That's just how it is here if you want ANY job that deals with money. There's another card if you work at a place that serves food, and another card if you work at a place that sells alcohol. About $150 in cards before you can even start job hunting.

    Quote Originally Posted by vangogh View Post
    That said, the practice isn't going anywhere and companies are going to hire people for background checks. I wouldn't be surprised if a few years from now AI is handling this kind of work. I'm just guessing, but it's easy to imagine a bot going out and doing all the work online. This might be something you can do in the near term, but I wouldn't think you'd be able to do this work in 10 or 20 years.
    Well, I'm hoping not to be doing any of this in 10 or 20 years . I was thinking of it more or less as side money. Not as a core business. It's true that much of it uses automated tools, but you have to know how to use them and how to pivot and use other processes when the tools fail. Sometimes you also have to use your head and find other ways of tracking people down that aren't in public or private databases.

    Could it be completely automated? The background checks probably could once you verify that the ID is correct, and when every public database for every jurisdiction is online and shares info. So far only the FBI have that kind of capability and they don't share that with the general public.

    When every possible thing is connected and public, then yeah. Ball game. But for now I think we're a long way from that. Especially with the push back on privacy now and what the EU is doing.

    Quote Originally Posted by vangogh View Post
    When you say companies are outsourcing the work, who are they outsourcing to? Is to companies outside the U.S. or is it within the U.S.? If it's the latter, is it because of price and would you be able to compete? If the former, then it makes sense to offer these kind of services.
    They outsource to freelancers, private investigators, and companies who provide the pre employment background check services. I don't see any offshoring at all. It seems that companies generally use other companies in their area and there are a few national companies. Laws are different from state to state on what is allowed and some states require that you be licensed, so offshore outsourcing wouldn't work.

    I would combine pre-employment background checks with skip tracing, and other digital investigative services.

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    I can understand more background checks and drug tests in Vegas, given all the casinos and all the money. I can understand why employers in general like them, but as the employee I don't care for them. On the surface they sound like a good thing, but I think they lead to employers thinking they have a right to the personal lives of their employees. I fully realize this is my issue though and not something likely to change. If anything, I would think more companies will turn to background checks as it gets easier and easier to find information.

    None of the above really has anything to do with you trying to add this as a service. As long as you aren't thinking of it as a long term thing that's going to lead to the majority of your revenue, I think it makes sense for something you could do. It fits well with the security info you've been learning lately and there's definitely a need, especially where you live. I do think in the not too distant future that AI will probably do most of this, but we're probably talking about a longer time frame than you'd care about.

    If the outsourcing stays in the U.S. then I think you could do this profitably. Makes sense that companies would keep this inside the country given the nature of the work. I was worried much of the outsourcing would just go to the cheapest bidder if the work left the country. Seems like something worth trying.

    My guess is background checks are still more of a larger business thing than a smaller business thing, though I wonder if that's because most people assume it's expensive. I assume it doesn't cost an unreasonable amount and you'd probably need to get that information out to potential clients. I know you know how to build a website and promote it and have it appear in search results so I'm sure you can pull this off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vangogh View Post
    I can understand more background checks and drug tests in Vegas, given all the casinos and all the money. I can understand why employers in general like them, but as the employee I don't care for them. On the surface they sound like a good thing, but I think they lead to employers thinking they have a right to the personal lives of their employees. I fully realize this is my issue though and not something likely to change. If anything, I would think more companies will turn to background checks as it gets easier and easier to find information.
    I totally agree with you. And it has. People get fired for what they say on social media (some actually should though), companies are checking your credit now, driving record, and anything they can get their hands on to draw a conclusion about your character. Yes there are laws and there's the Fair Credit Reporting Act, but that doesn't stop an employer from scanning your Facebook profile and judging you for it. In some cases they actually ask for your social media accounts.

    Yes, it is out of control and many companies take it too far. The sad part is more applicants don't know the level at which they can be investigated. It varies by state, and but still there is no way to know what they feel entitled to look at. If it's online, someone will see it.

    Quote Originally Posted by vangogh View Post
    My guess is background checks are still more of a larger business thing than a smaller business thing, though I wonder if that's because most people assume it's expensive. I assume it doesn't cost an unreasonable amount and you'd probably need to get that information out to potential clients. I know you know how to build a website and promote it and have it appear in search results so I'm sure you can pull this off.
    Exactly correct. Flashback to when I first started doing WordPress websites and support, small businesses didn't have many affordable, reliable options. I made a nice niche for myself by offering small businesses a service at a reasonable rate, and making it easy for them to do business with me.

    I'm thinking I can do the same here. Larger clients will pay the bills, but make it easy for anyone to use. And yes there is a need. Between pre-employment background checks, skip tracing, and other end privacy and security consulting the market is pretty big. But with anything, won't know until you put it together, and put it out there.

    FYI, I'm not going to stop doing what pays the bills. Just looking to start putting my training to work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harold Mansfield View Post
    Exactly correct. Flashback to when I first started doing WordPress websites and support, small businesses didn't have many affordable, reliable options. I made a nice niche for myself by offering small businesses a service at a reasonable rate, and making it easy for them to do business with me.

    I'm thinking I can do the same here. Larger clients will pay the bills, but make it easy for anyone to use. And yes there is a need. Between pre-employment background checks, skip tracing, and other end privacy and security consulting the market is pretty big. But with anything, won't know until you put it together, and put it out there. .
    I think it’s a good idea Harold. I don’t know about the competition but I suspect you’ll find a niche like you said. It’s not just about an employee’s honesty about handling money. Any employee who interacts with the public is representing the company. The company wants to know that they are not a “whack job” that could be a liability.

    I really like the skip trace idea. That could be fun!

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    A buddy of mine works in HR at a pretty big organization back home in Detroit. Maybe 5k employees. I spoke to him in detail about how they do it, and in their organization the main concern is a record of violent behavior and/or drugs. He told me the kinds of things they overlook and I thought it was pretty fair.

    I brought up credit checks, social media and other things like that and he said that they only request the information that they need for the job applied for and to make sure all information that they give is correct. And they also drug test.

    They also outsource to a couple of companies.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul View Post
    I really like the skip trace idea. That could be fun!
    So do I. Over the years various friends and family have asked me to find old friends, and lost relatives and it's pretty easy. And that was before I had any training. It's a lot harder when someone doesn't want to be found but many people who aren't criminals aren't good at going off the grid. Especially if they're still using their real name or other same information.

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