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the goat · 09-06-2008, 04:11 PM

I see what you mean, if this forum were relative to my industry I would certainly utilize links in my sig. I actually do on some forums so I am not really sure what my point was with that post. I guess the lesson is to hold off on posting after too many Guinness'.

Spider · 09-06-2008, 05:38 PM

I haven't pursued and have ignored requests for reciprocal links for years, also. I believe that one-way links are still valuable, though, incoming and outgoing. Getting one-way links is pretty difficult unless your site is already so well established that you don't need them, while giving one-way links is very easy. So, here's an offer to everyone---

1. I have several sites on which I can place a one-way link to you. I'll do that and ask you not to link back to that same site from the site to which I linked. (ie. no reciprocal linking.)

2. If you want to link back to me from another of your sites, that's fine. If you want to link back to another of my sites, that's fine, too, but I do not want same site-to-same site reciprocal links.)

3. If you think any of my sites will benefit your visitors in any way and want to link to my site, I will be grateful, but likewise I will not reciprocate.

This way we help each other - and ourselves - with one-way linking yet won't fall foul of any contrivance-detection that search engines may deploy. At least, I think we will not break any 'rules.' Perhaps the experts can confirm that.

And this offer is only open to members of this forum who have at least 20 posts under their belts.

Here are the sites/pages on which I will provide one-way outbound links to your sites. Just let me know--

Great Money Clubs - Resources
Frederick Pearce, Business Coach - Resources
The Self Improvement Pages (This site is new and has no Resources page as yet. I can easily add one.)

Other domains go directly to sections within the above--

I45mc.com
Want-to-be-a-Millionaire.com

...or link to my book at Amazon

Keep Your Eyes On The Prize

Is there anyone else who has written a book and would like a link?

* I hope this doesn't sound like self-promotion. Because I'm sure we can all gain by linking between our websites, being careful to avoid reciprocal links. To be fair, perhaps all who participate can promise to provide as many one-way outbound links to other members' sites as they receive in one-way inbound links.

What do you all think?

billbenson · 09-06-2008, 06:15 PM

Spider, if you are talking about linking to my site A and I link back to you from my site B, Google will figure this out. It will be treated the same as recip linking.

Spider · 09-06-2008, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billbenson

Spider, if you are talking about linking to my site A and I link back to you from my site B, Google will figure this out. It will be treated the same as recip linking.

Okay, then let's not do that. Let's keep it strictly one-way.

Spider · 09-06-2008, 10:01 PM

There! I have linked to the following--

Van SEO Design - Search Engine Friendly Web Design.

Marketing Success Blueprint - Simple Secrets to Business Marketing

Limited Liability Company Center - Making LLCs easier to understand

Erin Writes - Erin Huffstutter, Copywriter. Conversational prose and savvy writing style.

Creative Business Services - Creative solutions To your business marketing challenges

Success For Life - George Morse, Life Coach, Author, Entrepreneur

billbenson · 09-06-2008, 11:00 PM

Where did you link to them from Frederick? I appreciate what you are trying to do, but I'm not sure its the best way to go about it.

To clarify a bit, I bet most or all of the people you linked to would prefer a link contained in a SEO content page that is on your site. They write the page, you put it on your site matching your site format.

For the Erin Writes page for example, IMO it would be best if she writes a page for her site as a landing page, and writes a page with a link to her landing page that you place in a copywriting section or page on your site.

That way you have a relevant content link going to a relevant landing page.

Spider · 09-06-2008, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billbenson

Where did you link to them from Frederick? I appreciate what you are trying to do, but I'm not sure its the best way to go about it.
To clarify a bit, I bet most or all of the people you linked to would prefer a link contained in a SEO content page that is on your site. They write the page, you put it on your site matching your site format.
For the Erin Writes page for example, IMO it would be best if she writes a page for her site as a landing page, and writes a page with a link to her landing page that you place in a copywriting section or page on your site.
That way you have a relevant content link going to a relevant landing page.

I linked to them here, Bill - Great Money Clubs - Resources

With regard your suggestions, I look at linking from a logical point of view. If someone is going to write a page for my site purposely to drive traffic to their site and I agree to carry that page, we are thereby contriving to manipulate the search engines and I think the search engine owners will object and find ways to identify and nullify that manipulation. The whole point of a link, if I have read the Google basics correctly, is a vote for the linked-to site by the linked-from site. I am not suggesting we link to each other to manipulate anything, only to vote for.

Besides, I'm less interested in doing this for the search engines and building search engine traffic, and more as a service to our site visitors. If we do that, I believe, we will be doing it right for the search engines.

When I chose the sites I would link to, my consideration was, "Would this site benefit my visitors?" One person had a fence business, and I could not see how my visitors might be interested in building a fence when they leave my site. But a marketing site would benefit my visitors. That is what I consider a vote and the correct reason for linking.

vangogh · 09-07-2008, 08:10 PM

Frederick I appreciate what you're trying to do as well, but I agree with Bill that it's not the best way to go about it. From a search engine perspective this is just building a link farm and it's not likely to help and it could possibly hurt a little. It doesn't matter if the links aren't 1:1 reciprocal it still form a network of sites that in many cases aren't all that relevant to each other. I know you just said you're less interested in search engines, but you're original post above seemed to indicate the whole idea wa for the purposes of search engines.

A far as it being valuable to visitors I'd still say it's not necessarily as valuable is you might think. A listing of resources only makes sense if they're all relevant to what your site is about. It sounds like that's what you're trying to do which is great, but I can tell you right now I'm not planning on creating a page on my site that just links out to other businesses. I know my visitors well enough to know they aren't going to look to that page.

Before I link out from my site I'd want to have used the services or products I'm linking to.

I'll come back to the search engine aspect though. The page you're creating isn't going to be seen in good light if we're all linking to each other's sites. You may not be as concerned with search engines, but I am and I think Bill is and maybe others would be as well.

Spider · 09-08-2008, 03:43 AM

To clarify:

My first post on this subject - here - says nothing about trying to manipulate the search engines and that is definitely not my intention. The only time I mention search engines is to make sure that any action on my/our part does not break their rules.

There is no way that my Resources page can be construed as a link farm when the only sites linked from it are sites that logically follow from and could interest departing visitors - ie. visitors who were leaving a site about money. Thus, a site about LLCs is included but a site about fencing is not.

I don't believe it forms a network of nonrelevant sites any more than linking between relevant sites does, where there is a relevance and a link between A and B and between B and C but not between C and A.

But coming back to search engines - of course, I am interested in any links I create on my site benefitting me on search engines. And I thought I made it clear that links need to be relevant. And one-way.

And I never said we would ALL be linking to EACH OTHER. That obviously would create a link farm because of the generally diverse nature of our individual businesses. I envisaged one-way links to relevant sites. I said, and I quote, "If you think any of my sites will benefit your visitors..." = relevance. And the sites to which I linked are sites that would be relevant to my visitors.

I am interested in linking as was intended and has been stated by Google. I am not interested in creating special pages designed to directly influence any search procedure. The links I have suggested would not, I believe, put a Resource page in bad light if we adhere to the Google guidelines.

Frankly, I feel we get too clever about linking and fall foul of our own cleverness. Providing a link to a site that relates to the content on our own site for our visitors when they are ready to leave us, is the purpose of the link - and very easy to do. It is no more complicated than that.

billbenson · 09-08-2008, 08:10 AM

Fredierck, IMO you want one way content links from sites that are in no way reciprical.Google is a registrar and can figure out if if they are recips even if they come from different sites. Private registration helps in this regard.

Any other link may be a wash, hurt you, or rarely help you from a SEO standpoint. As mentioned, a forum post may get you business. It's not form G though.

That's my opinion in any case.

09-06-2008, 05:38 PM	#12 (permalink)
Spider Member Needs New Keyboard Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 138 Reputation: 11	I haven't pursued and have ignored requests for reciprocal links for years, also. I believe that one-way links are still valuable, though, incoming and outgoing. Getting one-way links is pretty difficult unless your site is already so well established that you don't need them, while giving one-way links is very easy. So, here's an offer to everyone--- 1. I have several sites on which I can place a one-way link to you. I'll do that and ask you not to link back to that same site from the site to which I linked. (ie. no reciprocal linking.) 2. If you want to link back to me from another of your sites, that's fine. If you want to link back to another of my sites, that's fine, too, but I do not want same site-to-same site reciprocal links.) 3. If you think any of my sites will benefit your visitors in any way and want to link to my site, I will be grateful, but likewise I will not reciprocate. This way we help each other - and ourselves - with one-way linking yet won't fall foul of any contrivance-detection that search engines may deploy. At least, I think we will not break any 'rules.' Perhaps the experts can confirm that. And this offer is only open to members of this forum who have at least 20 posts under their belts. Here are the sites/pages on which I will provide one-way outbound links to your sites. Just let me know-- Great Money Clubs - Resources Frederick Pearce, Business Coach - Resources The Self Improvement Pages (This site is new and has no Resources page as yet. I can easily add one.) Other domains go directly to sections within the above-- I45mc.com Want-to-be-a-Millionaire.com ...or link to my book at Amazon Keep Your Eyes On The Prize Is there anyone else who has written a book and would like a link? * I hope this doesn't sound like self-promotion. Because I'm sure we can all gain by linking between our websites, being careful to avoid reciprocal links. To be fair, perhaps all who participate can promise to provide as many one-way outbound links to other members' sites as they receive in one-way inbound links. What do you all think? __________________ Frederick -- Co-author: KEEP YOUR EYES ON THE PRIZE [More background on Spider] [Business Mentor, Business Coach] [Want-To-Be-A-Millionaire.com] [CERTIFIED HUMANE] Last edited by Spider; 09-06-2008 at 05:49 PM.

09-06-2008, 10:01 PM	#15 (permalink)
Spider Member Needs New Keyboard Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 138 Reputation: 11	There! I have linked to the following-- Van SEO Design - Search Engine Friendly Web Design. Marketing Success Blueprint - Simple Secrets to Business Marketing Limited Liability Company Center - Making LLCs easier to understand Erin Writes - Erin Huffstutter, Copywriter. Conversational prose and savvy writing style. Creative Business Services - Creative solutions To your business marketing challenges Success For Life - George Morse, Life Coach, Author, Entrepreneur __________________ Frederick -- Co-author: KEEP YOUR EYES ON THE PRIZE [More background on Spider] [Business Mentor, Business Coach] [Want-To-Be-A-Millionaire.com] [CERTIFIED HUMANE]

09-07-2008, 08:10 PM	#18 (permalink)
vangogh Post Impressionist Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Boulder, Colorado Posts: 1,744 Reputation: 31	Frederick I appreciate what you're trying to do as well, but I agree with Bill that it's not the best way to go about it. From a search engine perspective this is just building a link farm and it's not likely to help and it could possibly hurt a little. It doesn't matter if the links aren't 1:1 reciprocal it still form a network of sites that in many cases aren't all that relevant to each other. I know you just said you're less interested in search engines, but you're original post above seemed to indicate the whole idea wa for the purposes of search engines. A far as it being valuable to visitors I'd still say it's not necessarily as valuable is you might think. A listing of resources only makes sense if they're all relevant to what your site is about. It sounds like that's what you're trying to do which is great, but I can tell you right now I'm not planning on creating a page on my site that just links out to other businesses. I know my visitors well enough to know they aren't going to look to that page. Before I link out from my site I'd want to have used the services or products I'm linking to. I'll come back to the search engine aspect though. The page you're creating isn't going to be seen in good light if we're all linking to each other's sites. You may not be as concerned with search engines, but I am and I think Bill is and maybe others would be as well. __________________ l Search Engine Friendly Web Design \| Van SEO Design l Tips On Marketing, SEO, Design, and Development \| TheVanBlog l Custom WordPress Themes

09-08-2008, 03:43 AM	#19 (permalink)
Spider Member Needs New Keyboard Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 138 Reputation: 11	To clarify: My first post on this subject - here - says nothing about trying to manipulate the search engines and that is definitely not my intention. The only time I mention search engines is to make sure that any action on my/our part does not break their rules. There is no way that my Resources page can be construed as a link farm when the only sites linked from it are sites that logically follow from and could interest departing visitors - ie. visitors who were leaving a site about money. Thus, a site about LLCs is included but a site about fencing is not. I don't believe it forms a network of nonrelevant sites any more than linking between relevant sites does, where there is a relevance and a link between A and B and between B and C but not between C and A. But coming back to search engines - of course, I am interested in any links I create on my site benefitting me on search engines. And I thought I made it clear that links need to be relevant. And one-way. And I never said we would ALL be linking to EACH OTHER. That obviously would create a link farm because of the generally diverse nature of our individual businesses. I envisaged one-way links to relevant sites. I said, and I quote, "If you think any of my sites will benefit your visitors..." = relevance. And the sites to which I linked are sites that would be relevant to my visitors. I am interested in linking as was intended and has been stated by Google. I am not interested in creating special pages designed to directly influence any search procedure. The links I have suggested would not, I believe, put a Resource page in bad light if we adhere to the Google guidelines. Frankly, I feel we get too clever about linking and fall foul of our own cleverness. Providing a link to a site that relates to the content on our own site for our visitors when they are ready to leave us, is the purpose of the link - and very easy to do. It is no more complicated than that. __________________ Frederick -- Co-author: KEEP YOUR EYES ON THE PRIZE [More background on Spider] [Business Mentor, Business Coach] [Want-To-Be-A-Millionaire.com] [CERTIFIED HUMANE]

09-06-2008, 04:11 PM	#11 (permalink)
the goat Member Wearing Out Keyboard Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Beantown Posts: 79 Reputation: 10	I see what you mean, if this forum were relative to my industry I would certainly utilize links in my sig. I actually do on some forums so I am not really sure what my point was with that post. I guess the lesson is to hold off on posting after too many Guinness'.

09-06-2008, 06:15 PM	#13 (permalink)
billbenson Member Needs New Keyboard Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 364 Reputation: 14	Spider, if you are talking about linking to my site A and I link back to you from my site B, Google will figure this out. It will be treated the same as recip linking.

09-06-2008, 11:00 PM	#16 (permalink)
billbenson Member Needs New Keyboard Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 364 Reputation: 14	Where did you link to them from Frederick? I appreciate what you are trying to do, but I'm not sure its the best way to go about it. To clarify a bit, I bet most or all of the people you linked to would prefer a link contained in a SEO content page that is on your site. They write the page, you put it on your site matching your site format. For the Erin Writes page for example, IMO it would be best if she writes a page for her site as a landing page, and writes a page with a link to her landing page that you place in a copywriting section or page on your site. That way you have a relevant content link going to a relevant landing page.

09-08-2008, 08:10 AM	#20 (permalink)
billbenson Member Needs New Keyboard Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 364 Reputation: 14	Fredierck, IMO you want one way content links from sites that are in no way reciprical.Google is a registrar and can figure out if if they are recips even if they come from different sites. Private registration helps in this regard. Any other link may be a wash, hurt you, or rarely help you from a SEO standpoint. As mentioned, a forum post may get you business. It's not form G though. That's my opinion in any case.