Bill I understand what you're saying. I'm thinking more that you can find firms who offer both services with fully staffed departments for each so either could really provide what you're looking for.
I know what you're saying about the people who are successful online, but I think most started from different backgrounds. Some started as marketers and others started as designers. Some started as programmers and others just wanted to be online and learned.
I do think marketing is vital to business success though so naturally when you see a successful business online or offline they've done well with the marketing side of things. Maybe that's why it seems like they're marketers first sometimes. I'd bet that many people who've been to my blog would assume I'm marketer first and in some ways I guess I am. My first step in any design process is to research the market and the competition. I may consider myself a web designer, but the marker in me sets the design parameters.
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